【新唐人2012年9月18日訊】加拿大外交部前亞太司司長大衛‧喬高，上週二特地飛往美國，參加美國國會舉行的「中共活體摘取宗教與政治異議人士的器官」聽證會。喬高表示，一些和他一樣想法的人，都希望看到中國民主化，而這就必須先停止對法輪功學員的這些罪行。他認為，中共總理溫家寶有心推動中國的民主化，法制化。
《血腥的器官摘取》一書的聯合作者、加拿大外交部前亞太司司長大衛‧喬高在「中共活體摘取宗教與政治異議人士的器官」聽證會後，接受《希望之聲電臺》採訪時說，美國國務院在2012年的人權報告中承認了這件事，他們非常謹慎的提出這件事、認識到這麼可怕的，危害人類罪在中國持續發生。
喬高認為，不管怎麼說，經過漫長的11年後，美國國務院承認了這件事的發生。這是非常可喜的。而他專程參與聽證會，就是要幫助制止這個罪行。
加拿大外交部前亞太司司長大衛‧喬高：「任何不是民選的政府都是非法的，我們希望看到中國民主化，那樣，對法輪功學員的迫害首先必須停止。」
而「全球退黨服務中心」發言人李祥春博士指出，一旦揭露這項前所未有、超出人類極限的罪惡，就顯示中共的執政沒有合法性，這將使中共政權走向跨臺。
「全球退黨服務中心」發言人李祥春：「他（溫家寶）畢竟要遭到其他中共官員的反對，包括所謂血債幫，因為他這樣一做大家都完了嘛，他們在同一條船上面的，所以我們是不可能指望中共內部能夠有人出來阻止這樣的事情。他只能是自救，自己退出中共，有一個未來，然後披露活摘的事情。溫家寶最後確實表現出有良心的一面，但是，從他的歷史來看，他也無能為力。」
史學家，前「北京大學」教授蘇明則認為，在中共獨裁體制之下，中共官員甚麼也作不了。
前「北京大學」教授蘇明：「因為，共黨這個團夥整個是爛透了。現在情況下，中共這個團夥裡面沒有一個是理性的人物；而且，他們現在是一波接一波，每一屆黨老闆，都是為上幾屆黨老闆在掩蓋著罪責，背著它這個犯罪的大包袱，而本身同樣也在犯罪。所以，在這麼一種體制之下，它不可能出現一個開明人物或者改革人物，沒有可能。」
針對喬高的期待，前中共總書記胡耀邦智囊阮銘認為，如果，有海外如美國及其他民主國家對中共施加壓力，以及，中國民間百姓繼續推動中國民主浪潮，有可能實現。
前中共總書記胡耀邦智囊阮銘：「鎮壓法輪功是江澤民這個獨裁者它一個人決定的，溫家寶當然不會贊成的。除了江澤民這種沒有人性的人，誰會贊成他這種做法。胡錦濤、溫家寶都要下來了，習近平上臺，我看還好一點。溫家寶下臺以後，當然他還會發表言論的，還可以起作用的，還要靠中國自己的老百姓。」
阮銘觀察，海外民主國家的施壓和中國上下的推動，三方面都在慢慢成熟，如今形勢一直朝向好的發展，這些力量集中起來，中國就有了希望。
而蘇明也指出，要停止血腥的活摘器官暴行，唯有解體邪惡的中共獨裁政權。
採訪編輯/梁欣 後製/李月
David Kilgour: "Stop... killing… Falun Gong practitioners."
David Kilgour, former Canadian Secretary of State
for Asia-Pacific, flew to the United States on September 12.
This was to attend the U.S. Congress hearings
on the “Chinese Communist Party (CCP) Live Organ Harvesting of Religious And Political Dissidents."
Kilgour said that he, and all like-minded people,
want to see the democracy in China.
China must stop crimes against Falun Gong practitioners.
Kilgour thinks that Chinese Prime Minister Wen Jiabao
also wants to promote Chinese democracy and legalization.
David Kilgour, co-author of 'Bloody Harvest:
Organ Harvesting of Falun Gong Practitioners in China',
commented during an interview
with Sound of Hope Radio Network.
The U.S. Department of State acknowledge the occurrence
of organ harvesting in it's 2012 Human Rights report.
They raised this issue very cautiously.
They recognized that such a terrible crime
against humanity continues to happen in China.
David Kilgour is positive that the U.S. Department of State
acknowledged the occurrence of this, after 11 long years.
He madea special trip to participate
in the hearings, to help stop this crime.
David Kilgour: "Any government which is not elected
in a fair and free election, has no legitimacy,
certainly democratic legitimacy, and I would like to see
China move in the direction that about 122 countries are.
And if China was a democracy, there would of course,
this would be probably the first thing they would stop;
this killing practitioners, Falun Gong practitioners."
Charles Lee, Spokesman for the Global Center to Quit
the CCP, pointed out that once these unprecedented crimes are exposed,
which are beyond the limits of humanity,
the CCP will lose its legitimacy, and will collapse.
Charles Lee: “He (Wen Jiabao) will face opposition from
other CCP officials, including the blood-debt faction.
If he does it, the CCP will end one and for all.
They are on the same boat.
We cannot expect someone within the CCP to stop this crime.
He can only save himself and withdraw from the CCP
to have a future, and expose the crimes of organ harvesting.
Wen Jiabao did show conscience toward the end.
However, from a historical point
of view, he cannot do anything.”
Su Ming, historian and former Beijing University professor,
thinks that under CCP dictatorship, officials can't do anything.
Su Ming: “The CCP gang is completely rotten.
In the current situation, there is not a single
rational character within this group.
They are in transition of power to a group of leaders.
Each group of leaders covers up
crimes it has committed before.
Therefore, in such a system, it is not possible
to have a liberal figure or a reformist figure."
Ruan Ming, former secretary to CCP Party General
Hu Yaobang, commented on Kilgour’s expectation on democracy in China.
Ruan Ming thinks that with pressure from the U.S., other
democratic countries and the Chinese people’s continuous efforts, democracy can be achieved.
Ruan Ming: “The persecution of Falun Gong was started by
dictator Jiang Zemin. Wen Jiabao certainly does not favor it.
In fact, who agrees with Jiang Zemin,
only one's with no humanity?
Hu Jintao and Wen Jiabao will both step down.
Xi Jinping will take over power. I think it is better.
After Wen Jiabao steps down, he will
still give speeches and play an important role.
It is the Chinese people who will have the critical impact.”
Ruan Ming thinks that three aspects of power
are gradually maturing; pressure from overseas,
promotion from above and the Chinese people.
The situation is improving.
China does have a hope with
the power from these three aspects.
Su Ming points out that to disintegrate the CCP’s evil regime
is the only way to stop the bloody organ harvesting crime.
《血腥的器官摘取》一書的聯合作者、加拿大外交部前亞太司司長大衛‧喬高在「中共活體摘取宗教與政治異議人士的器官」聽證會後，接受《希望之聲電臺》採訪時說，美國國務院在2012年的人權報告中承認了這件事，他們非常謹慎的提出這件事、認識到這麼可怕的，危害人類罪在中國持續發生。
喬高認為，不管怎麼說，經過漫長的11年後，美國國務院承認了這件事的發生。這是非常可喜的。而他專程參與聽證會，就是要幫助制止這個罪行。
加拿大外交部前亞太司司長大衛‧喬高：「任何不是民選的政府都是非法的，我們希望看到中國民主化，那樣，對法輪功學員的迫害首先必須停止。」
而「全球退黨服務中心」發言人李祥春博士指出，一旦揭露這項前所未有、超出人類極限的罪惡，就顯示中共的執政沒有合法性，這將使中共政權走向跨臺。
「全球退黨服務中心」發言人李祥春：「他（溫家寶）畢竟要遭到其他中共官員的反對，包括所謂血債幫，因為他這樣一做大家都完了嘛，他們在同一條船上面的，所以我們是不可能指望中共內部能夠有人出來阻止這樣的事情。他只能是自救，自己退出中共，有一個未來，然後披露活摘的事情。溫家寶最後確實表現出有良心的一面，但是，從他的歷史來看，他也無能為力。」
史學家，前「北京大學」教授蘇明則認為，在中共獨裁體制之下，中共官員甚麼也作不了。
前「北京大學」教授蘇明：「因為，共黨這個團夥整個是爛透了。現在情況下，中共這個團夥裡面沒有一個是理性的人物；而且，他們現在是一波接一波，每一屆黨老闆，都是為上幾屆黨老闆在掩蓋著罪責，背著它這個犯罪的大包袱，而本身同樣也在犯罪。所以，在這麼一種體制之下，它不可能出現一個開明人物或者改革人物，沒有可能。」
針對喬高的期待，前中共總書記胡耀邦智囊阮銘認為，如果，有海外如美國及其他民主國家對中共施加壓力，以及，中國民間百姓繼續推動中國民主浪潮，有可能實現。
前中共總書記胡耀邦智囊阮銘：「鎮壓法輪功是江澤民這個獨裁者它一個人決定的，溫家寶當然不會贊成的。除了江澤民這種沒有人性的人，誰會贊成他這種做法。胡錦濤、溫家寶都要下來了，習近平上臺，我看還好一點。溫家寶下臺以後，當然他還會發表言論的，還可以起作用的，還要靠中國自己的老百姓。」
阮銘觀察，海外民主國家的施壓和中國上下的推動，三方面都在慢慢成熟，如今形勢一直朝向好的發展，這些力量集中起來，中國就有了希望。
而蘇明也指出，要停止血腥的活摘器官暴行，唯有解體邪惡的中共獨裁政權。
採訪編輯/梁欣 後製/李月
David Kilgour: "Stop... killing… Falun Gong practitioners."
David Kilgour, former Canadian Secretary of State
for Asia-Pacific, flew to the United States on September 12.
This was to attend the U.S. Congress hearings
on the “Chinese Communist Party (CCP) Live Organ Harvesting of Religious And Political Dissidents."
Kilgour said that he, and all like-minded people,
want to see the democracy in China.
China must stop crimes against Falun Gong practitioners.
Kilgour thinks that Chinese Prime Minister Wen Jiabao
also wants to promote Chinese democracy and legalization.
David Kilgour, co-author of 'Bloody Harvest:
Organ Harvesting of Falun Gong Practitioners in China',
commented during an interview
with Sound of Hope Radio Network.
The U.S. Department of State acknowledge the occurrence
of organ harvesting in it's 2012 Human Rights report.
They raised this issue very cautiously.
They recognized that such a terrible crime
against humanity continues to happen in China.
David Kilgour is positive that the U.S. Department of State
acknowledged the occurrence of this, after 11 long years.
He madea special trip to participate
in the hearings, to help stop this crime.
David Kilgour: "Any government which is not elected
in a fair and free election, has no legitimacy,
certainly democratic legitimacy, and I would like to see
China move in the direction that about 122 countries are.
And if China was a democracy, there would of course,
this would be probably the first thing they would stop;
this killing practitioners, Falun Gong practitioners."
Charles Lee, Spokesman for the Global Center to Quit
the CCP, pointed out that once these unprecedented crimes are exposed,
which are beyond the limits of humanity,
the CCP will lose its legitimacy, and will collapse.
Charles Lee: “He (Wen Jiabao) will face opposition from
other CCP officials, including the blood-debt faction.
If he does it, the CCP will end one and for all.
They are on the same boat.
We cannot expect someone within the CCP to stop this crime.
He can only save himself and withdraw from the CCP
to have a future, and expose the crimes of organ harvesting.
Wen Jiabao did show conscience toward the end.
However, from a historical point
of view, he cannot do anything.”
Su Ming, historian and former Beijing University professor,
thinks that under CCP dictatorship, officials can't do anything.
Su Ming: “The CCP gang is completely rotten.
In the current situation, there is not a single
rational character within this group.
They are in transition of power to a group of leaders.
Each group of leaders covers up
crimes it has committed before.
Therefore, in such a system, it is not possible
to have a liberal figure or a reformist figure."
Ruan Ming, former secretary to CCP Party General
Hu Yaobang, commented on Kilgour’s expectation on democracy in China.
Ruan Ming thinks that with pressure from the U.S., other
democratic countries and the Chinese people’s continuous efforts, democracy can be achieved.
Ruan Ming: “The persecution of Falun Gong was started by
dictator Jiang Zemin. Wen Jiabao certainly does not favor it.
In fact, who agrees with Jiang Zemin,
only one's with no humanity?
Hu Jintao and Wen Jiabao will both step down.
Xi Jinping will take over power. I think it is better.
After Wen Jiabao steps down, he will
still give speeches and play an important role.
It is the Chinese people who will have the critical impact.”
Ruan Ming thinks that three aspects of power
are gradually maturing; pressure from overseas,
promotion from above and the Chinese people.
The situation is improving.
China does have a hope with
the power from these three aspects.
Su Ming points out that to disintegrate the CCP’s evil regime
is the only way to stop the bloody organ harvesting crime.
