【新唐人2014年02月26日訊】在烏克蘭發生戲劇性的政權更迭之後，臨時政府進一步發出「清算罪犯」的信號，對老百姓犯罪的前政府官員將被通緝、調查，甚至將被送上法庭。而在烏克蘭民間，有防暴警察集體向群眾下跪道歉。從烏克蘭民眾的抗爭中，參與中國1989年六四民主運動的部分學生領袖們，也看到了當今中國的轉變，一起來看一看他們怎麼說。
烏克蘭臨時政府的內務部部長阿瓦科夫，24號通過臉書發出消息說：「針對亞努科維奇對和平民眾進行大屠殺一事，已提起刑事訴訟。亞努科維奇以及其他相關官員都已被通緝」。
議會的檢察機關事務監督代表馬赫尼茨基也證實，烏克蘭警方已成立專案組，對已被解職的前總檢察長普雄卡，和前政府收入部長克利緬科進行調查，並計劃拘捕他們兩人並移送司法機關。
看完烏克蘭民眾推翻獨裁政權的全過程，1989年「六四天安門事件」的學生領袖之一封從德認為，現在中國民眾對憲政民主的追求，對人權的意識，比1989年的時候要強烈的多。
六四學生領袖封從德：「可以說1989年還是在於啟蒙的時代，25年以後中國的社會顯然比1989年要成熟很多，很多民眾是直接要求要結束一黨專制，這個訴求現在是變的愈來愈明顯，愈來愈成為共識，而在89年很遺憾的就是，這樣的想法的人還是太少。」
封從德表示，民主革命一定會經過三步，第一是民變，第二是兵變，第三才會政變——結束一黨專制。他說，要形成這樣大規模的民變，需要用非暴力抗爭的手法，讓大量的人群上街、聚集在市中心廣場。
六四學生領袖封從德：「但是更重要的決定因素在軍隊。那能夠促動軍隊轉變，就是說，它有三個層次：第一是消極鎮壓，第二是乾脆不鎮壓，第三個更高的層次就是直接反正過來。」
封從德舉例說，清朝的垮臺就是因為新軍的「反正」。而二十世紀至今，更有幾十個國家，在發生政權更迭時，走了這條路。最近又有烏克蘭和埃及。
封從德：「埃及、烏克蘭都是起先是用大規模的民變的方式，觸動軍方的轉變，那麼這個模式在中國，我相信不久的將來就會出現。現在中共因為已經完全不能取信於民，他們的這種貧富懸殊已經太嚴重，中國現在是隨時面臨著要『變』。」
另一位「六四天安門事件」的學生領袖周鋒鎖認為，烏克蘭議會起到了重要作用，議會是以合法的形式，推翻了實行鎮壓的總統。烏克蘭議會先是罷黜了原總統亞努科維奇的職務，然後發出逮捕令。
周鋒鎖介紹，中國「六四事件」當時，中共內部也曾有聲音，呼籲「人民代表大會」緊急開會。而被稱為「橡皮圖章」的「人大」，當時並沒有發揮《憲法》所賦予的權力。
六四學生領袖周鋒鎖：「中共用暴力，實際上是政變的方式，阻止所謂的人大來參政。在這個關鍵的時候，在這個危機的時刻，沒有讓人大出面表態。從《李鵬日記》裡我們也看到，其實中共花了很大的力氣，去威脅人大改變。」
烏克蘭財政部24號透露，烏克蘭在2015年底需要大約350億美元的援助。英國財政大臣奧斯本表示，歐盟已做好準備。美國和國際貨幣基金組織也表示，將為參與援助烏克蘭做好準備。而聯合國祕書長潘基文已派出高級顧問塞裡前往烏克蘭，與臨時總統圖爾奇諾夫會面。「歐洲安全與合作組織（OSZE）」建議成立一個烏克蘭聯繫小組，對烏克蘭的政治過渡期提供支持，並協調國際援助。
採訪編輯/唐音 後製/孫寧
June 4 Tiananmen Massacre Student Leaders See Great
Changes In Ukraine
After a dramatic regime change in Ukraine, the interim government
took a further step to clear out criminals,
by investigating or bringing former government officials
who were against the people to court.
In Ukraine, riot police had to kneel down collectively to
apologize to the people.
From the Ukrainian people's struggle, some student leaders who
participated in China's 1989 Tiananmen democracy movement
also see changes in today's China.
Let's see what they think about it.
Feb 24, Minister of Internal Affairs of the Ukraine interim
government Ava Cove, said on Facebook:
"We launched Yanukovych's criminal indictments for
massacring peaceful people.
Yanukovych and other related officials are wanted. "
Ukraine's Parliament on behalf of the prosecution authority
Magnitsky Mach, also confirmed that the Ukrainian police
special task force has been set up.
They will investigate and transfer sacked former Attorney
General Puxiong Cards, and former Minister of Government
Revenue Department Klee Myanmar, to judicial organs.
After watching the whole process of the Ukrainian people
overthrowing the dictatorship,
one student leader of the "1989 Tiananmen Incident" Feng Congde,
believes that the current Chinese people's constitutional democracy
pursuit,
and human rights consciousness are much stronger in the people now
than in 1989.
June 4th Tiananmen student leader Feng Congde:
"You could say 1989 was the era of the Enlightenment, the
current Chinese society is much more mature than 25 years ago.
Many people demanded an end to the one-party dictatorship, and
this demand is increasingly becoming apparent and consensus
is building.
Unfortunately people with such ideals were too few in 1989."
Feng Congde said that the democratic revolution will go through
three steps,
the first is revolt, the second is military mutiny, and the
third will be a coup ---- end of one-party dictatorship.
He said that a large-scale revolt needs nonviolent protest
tactics to allow a large number of people to gather on the
streets or in downtown.
June 4th Movement student leader Feng Congde: "But the most
important are the military forces.
There are three level reactions for the military forces:
the first is negative repression, and the second is simply
no repression, the third level is to change sides."
Feng Congde said that the collapse of the Qing Dynasty was
because of the new army changing sides.
Since the twentieth century, dozens of countries have had
regime change in this way, including recently in Ukraine
and Egypt.
Feng Congde: "In Egypt and Ukraine, there was large-scale
revolt at first, followed by military mutiny.
I believe it will happen in China in the near future since
the CCP has been completely unable to gain trust because
of serious income inequalities.
China is ready for change at any time."
Another "Tiananmen Incident" student leader Zhou Fengsuo,
believes that the Ukrainian Parliament played an important role to
overthrow the repressive President in a legal manner.
The Ukrainian Parliament first dismissed former President Viktor
Yanukovich and issued an arrest warrant.
Zhou Fengsuo believes that there was an inner voice for the
National People's Congress (NPC) emergency meeting when the
"Tiananmen incident" happened.
Known as "rubber stamp", the NPC did not conduct the conferred
power from the Constitution.
Tiananmen student leader Zhou Fengsuo: "The CCP used violence.
In fact, the tactic of the coup was to prevent the so-called NPC
from making a commitment at this critical time.
From, we can tell the CCP made a lot of effort
to threaten the NPC from changing."
Feb 24, Ukrainian Ministry of Finance revealed that Ukraine
needs about $ 35 billion aid by the end of 2015.
British Chancellor of the Exchequer Osborne said that the EU
is ready.
U.S. and IMF also said that they are ready to participate in aid
for Ukraine.
The UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon has sent a senior
adviser to meet with interim President Turchinov in Ukraine.
"The Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe
(OSCE)"
recommended establishing a contact group in Ukraine
to provide support in the political transition period and
coordinate international assistance.
Interview & Edit/Tang Yin Post-Production/Sun ning
烏克蘭臨時政府的內務部部長阿瓦科夫，24號通過臉書發出消息說：「針對亞努科維奇對和平民眾進行大屠殺一事，已提起刑事訴訟。亞努科維奇以及其他相關官員都已被通緝」。
議會的檢察機關事務監督代表馬赫尼茨基也證實，烏克蘭警方已成立專案組，對已被解職的前總檢察長普雄卡，和前政府收入部長克利緬科進行調查，並計劃拘捕他們兩人並移送司法機關。
看完烏克蘭民眾推翻獨裁政權的全過程，1989年「六四天安門事件」的學生領袖之一封從德認為，現在中國民眾對憲政民主的追求，對人權的意識，比1989年的時候要強烈的多。
六四學生領袖封從德：「可以說1989年還是在於啟蒙的時代，25年以後中國的社會顯然比1989年要成熟很多，很多民眾是直接要求要結束一黨專制，這個訴求現在是變的愈來愈明顯，愈來愈成為共識，而在89年很遺憾的就是，這樣的想法的人還是太少。」
封從德表示，民主革命一定會經過三步，第一是民變，第二是兵變，第三才會政變——結束一黨專制。他說，要形成這樣大規模的民變，需要用非暴力抗爭的手法，讓大量的人群上街、聚集在市中心廣場。
六四學生領袖封從德：「但是更重要的決定因素在軍隊。那能夠促動軍隊轉變，就是說，它有三個層次：第一是消極鎮壓，第二是乾脆不鎮壓，第三個更高的層次就是直接反正過來。」
封從德舉例說，清朝的垮臺就是因為新軍的「反正」。而二十世紀至今，更有幾十個國家，在發生政權更迭時，走了這條路。最近又有烏克蘭和埃及。
封從德：「埃及、烏克蘭都是起先是用大規模的民變的方式，觸動軍方的轉變，那麼這個模式在中國，我相信不久的將來就會出現。現在中共因為已經完全不能取信於民，他們的這種貧富懸殊已經太嚴重，中國現在是隨時面臨著要『變』。」
另一位「六四天安門事件」的學生領袖周鋒鎖認為，烏克蘭議會起到了重要作用，議會是以合法的形式，推翻了實行鎮壓的總統。烏克蘭議會先是罷黜了原總統亞努科維奇的職務，然後發出逮捕令。
周鋒鎖介紹，中國「六四事件」當時，中共內部也曾有聲音，呼籲「人民代表大會」緊急開會。而被稱為「橡皮圖章」的「人大」，當時並沒有發揮《憲法》所賦予的權力。
六四學生領袖周鋒鎖：「中共用暴力，實際上是政變的方式，阻止所謂的人大來參政。在這個關鍵的時候，在這個危機的時刻，沒有讓人大出面表態。從《李鵬日記》裡我們也看到，其實中共花了很大的力氣，去威脅人大改變。」
烏克蘭財政部24號透露，烏克蘭在2015年底需要大約350億美元的援助。英國財政大臣奧斯本表示，歐盟已做好準備。美國和國際貨幣基金組織也表示，將為參與援助烏克蘭做好準備。而聯合國祕書長潘基文已派出高級顧問塞裡前往烏克蘭，與臨時總統圖爾奇諾夫會面。「歐洲安全與合作組織（OSZE）」建議成立一個烏克蘭聯繫小組，對烏克蘭的政治過渡期提供支持，並協調國際援助。
採訪編輯/唐音 後製/孫寧
June 4 Tiananmen Massacre Student Leaders See Great
Changes In Ukraine
After a dramatic regime change in Ukraine, the interim government
took a further step to clear out criminals,
by investigating or bringing former government officials
who were against the people to court.
In Ukraine, riot police had to kneel down collectively to
apologize to the people.
From the Ukrainian people's struggle, some student leaders who
participated in China's 1989 Tiananmen democracy movement
also see changes in today's China.
Let's see what they think about it.
Feb 24, Minister of Internal Affairs of the Ukraine interim
government Ava Cove, said on Facebook:
"We launched Yanukovych's criminal indictments for
massacring peaceful people.
Yanukovych and other related officials are wanted. "
Ukraine's Parliament on behalf of the prosecution authority
Magnitsky Mach, also confirmed that the Ukrainian police
special task force has been set up.
They will investigate and transfer sacked former Attorney
General Puxiong Cards, and former Minister of Government
Revenue Department Klee Myanmar, to judicial organs.
After watching the whole process of the Ukrainian people
overthrowing the dictatorship,
one student leader of the "1989 Tiananmen Incident" Feng Congde,
believes that the current Chinese people's constitutional democracy
pursuit,
and human rights consciousness are much stronger in the people now
than in 1989.
June 4th Tiananmen student leader Feng Congde:
"You could say 1989 was the era of the Enlightenment, the
current Chinese society is much more mature than 25 years ago.
Many people demanded an end to the one-party dictatorship, and
this demand is increasingly becoming apparent and consensus
is building.
Unfortunately people with such ideals were too few in 1989."
Feng Congde said that the democratic revolution will go through
three steps,
the first is revolt, the second is military mutiny, and the
third will be a coup ---- end of one-party dictatorship.
He said that a large-scale revolt needs nonviolent protest
tactics to allow a large number of people to gather on the
streets or in downtown.
June 4th Movement student leader Feng Congde: "But the most
important are the military forces.
There are three level reactions for the military forces:
the first is negative repression, and the second is simply
no repression, the third level is to change sides."
Feng Congde said that the collapse of the Qing Dynasty was
because of the new army changing sides.
Since the twentieth century, dozens of countries have had
regime change in this way, including recently in Ukraine
and Egypt.
Feng Congde: "In Egypt and Ukraine, there was large-scale
revolt at first, followed by military mutiny.
I believe it will happen in China in the near future since
the CCP has been completely unable to gain trust because
of serious income inequalities.
China is ready for change at any time."
Another "Tiananmen Incident" student leader Zhou Fengsuo,
believes that the Ukrainian Parliament played an important role to
overthrow the repressive President in a legal manner.
The Ukrainian Parliament first dismissed former President Viktor
Yanukovich and issued an arrest warrant.
Zhou Fengsuo believes that there was an inner voice for the
National People's Congress (NPC) emergency meeting when the
"Tiananmen incident" happened.
Known as "rubber stamp", the NPC did not conduct the conferred
power from the Constitution.
Tiananmen student leader Zhou Fengsuo: "The CCP used violence.
In fact, the tactic of the coup was to prevent the so-called NPC
from making a commitment at this critical time.
From
to threaten the NPC from changing."
Feb 24, Ukrainian Ministry of Finance revealed that Ukraine
needs about $ 35 billion aid by the end of 2015.
British Chancellor of the Exchequer Osborne said that the EU
is ready.
U.S. and IMF also said that they are ready to participate in aid
for Ukraine.
The UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon has sent a senior
adviser to meet with interim President Turchinov in Ukraine.
"The Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe
(OSCE)"
recommended establishing a contact group in Ukraine
to provide support in the political transition period and
coordinate international assistance.
Interview & Edit/Tang Yin Post-Production/Sun ning
