【新唐人2013年08月19日讯】埃及政府公布的资料显示，8月14号对抗议者的清场过程中造成638人死亡，4千多人受伤。而目前埃及的动荡更是延续到了全国，全世界都在关注埃及的发展。有人把埃及军方的行动比作是“六四”翻版，那么，二者能进行模拟吗？请看报导。
埃及前总统穆尔西被赶下台后，穆斯林兄弟会和他们的支持者一直抗议，要求穆尔西复职。14号，埃及官方清除穆斯林兄弟会示威者占据的两个场地过程中，造成数百人死亡。
根据埃及卫生部公布的数字，从16号以后的暴力冲突中，又有近2百人伤亡。
埃及驻美国大使陶菲克（Mohamed Tawfik）接受美国《外交政策》期刊的采访，他认为，将埃及清场比作“六四”天安门屠杀完全不对。
陶菲克指出，中国没有21家警局警察遭到袭击，也没有43名警察被杀，更没有7座教堂被焚毁和警察被杀后遭虐尸。并且，他认为，大部分死伤是穆兄会袭击平民、政府建筑物和教堂时发生的。
美国中文杂志《中国事务》总编辑伍凡：“表面上看，都死了人了，军队开枪了，但实质上，一个是北京军方主动开枪，埃及军方是被动开枪﹔并且两方的诉求都不一样：学生诉求是和平，而埃及的穆斯林兄弟会他们要求是推翻政府，要求暴动。”
时政评论家伍凡表示，应该用和平的方式解决冲突。
《变局策》作者李一平：“中共是一个国家政权对要求民主的、要求自由的老百姓、知识份子，对他们进行血腥镇压，在埃及所发生的事情，可以把它理解为两种文化相互之间的冲突。”
曾经撰写论述中国未来发展的《变局策》一书的作家李一平认为，冲突的原因是伊斯兰原教旨主义者想通过民主消灭民主制度，而温和的世俗教派和军方则不同意。但他不认同暴力镇压的做法。
穆兄会首领穆尔西执政一年以来，伊斯兰势力在国会占了多数，新宪法有把埃及变成伊斯兰教国家的倾向，加上埃及经济恶化，高达13%的失业率，2200万人签名要求穆尔西下台。
旅美学者曹长青撰文指出，埃及军方迎合民意而罢黜了穆尔西，是个正确决定，如果中东人口最多的国家——埃及成为“伊朗第二”，后果更不堪设想。
据英国《路透社》的引述，70%的埃及人反对穆斯林兄弟会。
宪政学者陈永苗：“穆斯林兄弟会实际上有点像希特勒的纳粹党。希特勒的纳粹党在宪政史上制造了一个很大的危机，就是它通过民主的手段实现宪政，而且实现独裁和专政。实际上穆斯林兄弟会做法是非常像的。”
中共喉舌《环球时报》16号社评声称，这场流血冲突只能被当成埃及走向民主的“阵痛”，还警告，埃及要为此付出惨痛代价。
15号的文章更继续宣扬“埃及清场悲剧再次验证民主困境”的论调。
伍凡：“共产党这些人他为甚么不想想，他49年前，毛泽东、刘少奇、周恩来在当年反对蒋介石的时候，他们不也是喊民主吗？他们把自己的话全忘得光光了。”
1943年7月4号，作为中共当时的机关报《新华日报》，发表了社论——《民主颂——献给美国的独立纪念日》，盛赞美国民主。文章肉麻的写道：中国人对美国的好感，是发源于从美国国民性中发散出来的民主的风度，博大的心怀。
陈永苗则指出，民主化带来的阵痛是旧的专制制度带来的，就像生病的人要治病，打针吃药都是痛苦的，而民主越成熟越稳定，越长治久安，相反专制只会带来动荡、崩溃和内战。
采访/陈汉 编辑/宋风 后制/萧宇
Is Egypt’s Protest Site-clearing a Remake of China’s June 4th?
As publicized by the Egyptian government, on August 14,
when protesters were cleared from protesting sites,
638 people were killed and more than 4,000 injured.
Now, turbulence in Egypt has spread across the nation.
The whole world is watching Egypt’s moves.
Some people regard the action of Egypt’s military
as a remake of June 4th in China.
Are these two events comparable?
Please read the report below.
Since the former Egyptian President, Mohammed Morsi,
was ousted, Islamists and their supporters have been
continuously protesting, calling for Morsi to be reinstated.
The Egyptian military cleared protesters from
the protest sites, causing hundreds of fatalities.
The official death toll publicized by the Egyptian
Health Department has reached 200 since August 18th.
Mohamed Tasfik, Egyptian Ambassador in America,
was interviewed by American magazine Foreign Policy.
He stated that it’s not fair to compare Egypt’s recent
happenings to the June 4th Tiananmen Square massacre in China.
Tawfik further clarified that no police stations were attacked
and neither were any police killed in China during June 4th,
not to mention that in Egypt seven churches were burned
and policemen were killed, their corpses abused.
Tawfik pointed out that most injuries and casualties in Egypt
took place when Islamists were attacking everyday people,
government buildings and churches.
Wu Fan, Chief Editor of the Chinese magazine China Affairs:
“On the surface, there were casualties in both events.
Essentially, Beijing government took the initiative to shoot
protesters, while the Egyptian military was forced to shoot.
Most importantly, those students at Tiananmen Square
and the Islamists in Egypt were appealing
for very different things.
Students in China were calling for peace.
Nonetheless, Islamists in Egypt were rioting
to overthrow the government.”
Wu Fan said that peaceful methods should be applied
to solve conflicts.
Li Yiping, author of the book, Strategy for Regime Change:
“The Chinese Communist Party (CCP) carries out a brutal
repression of people who ask for democracy and freedom.
However, what’s happened in Egypt is more like
the conflicts between two cultures.”
Li Yiping stated that the conflicts in Egypt originated
from Islamic Fundamentalists, who intended to destroy
the democratic system in the name of democracy.
However, the moderate secular churches and military
disagreed with the practice of Islamic fundamentalists.
Nonetheless, Li Yiping doesn’t agree with
the violent crackdown either.
Morsi, head of Islamic Brotherhood, took office
about a year ago.
During this year, Islamic forces have dominated
in Egyptian congress.
The new Constitution intended to turn Egypt
into an Islamic country.
In addition to economic deterioration
and an unemployment rate as high as 13%,
22,000 thousand people signed the petition to ask Morsi
to leave office.
Scholar Cao Changqing wrote in his article that the Egyptian
military took Morsi down according to public opinion, which was a wise decision.
If Egypt, as a country with the second largest population
in the middle east, became a”second Iran,” it would be even more unbearable.
Upon learning that the Governor of Calif. was coming to visit,
Based on Reuters’ report, 70% of Egyptians are against
the Islamic Brotherhood.
Constitutionalism Scholar Chen Yongmiao:
“The Islamic Brotherhood is something like Hitler's
Nazi Party, which caused a big crisis in constitutional history.
That is, it realized constitutionalism with democratic
measure, and soon after implemented dictatorship.
What the Islamic Brotherhood is trying to do now
is very similar to the Nazi Party.”
The Global Times, overseas mouthpiece of the CCP,
published a commentary article on August 16 which said
that what happened in Egypt is the pain that Egypt needs
to suffer for democracy.
It also warned that Egypt will have to pay a great price for it.
On August 15, the Global Times continued to promote
its argument that”tragedies in Egypt verify the challenges that democracy faces.”
Wu Fan: “Why don’t those CCP members think about it?
49 years ago, when Mao Zedong, Liu Shaoqi, and Zhou Enlai
were fighting against Jiang Jieshi, they also did it
under the guise of democracy.
They totally forgot what they said at the time.”
On July 4, 1943, the CCP’s mouthpiece Xin Huan Daily
published a commentary article with the headline
“Eulogy for Democracy --- For the United States’
Independence Day.”
The article eulogized the States’ democracy.
It sickeningly said that Chinese people have a favorable
impression of Americans because of their
democratic demeanor and generous heart.
Chen Yongmiao stated that the pain democratization
has brought about originated from the old dictatorial system.
As a metaphor, he said, just like a very ill person,
taking medicines and injections are very painful.
Democracy can bring the country long-lasting stability,
while dictatorship can only bring about turbulence, collapse and civil war.
埃及前总统穆尔西被赶下台后，穆斯林兄弟会和他们的支持者一直抗议，要求穆尔西复职。14号，埃及官方清除穆斯林兄弟会示威者占据的两个场地过程中，造成数百人死亡。
根据埃及卫生部公布的数字，从16号以后的暴力冲突中，又有近2百人伤亡。
埃及驻美国大使陶菲克（Mohamed Tawfik）接受美国《外交政策》期刊的采访，他认为，将埃及清场比作“六四”天安门屠杀完全不对。
陶菲克指出，中国没有21家警局警察遭到袭击，也没有43名警察被杀，更没有7座教堂被焚毁和警察被杀后遭虐尸。并且，他认为，大部分死伤是穆兄会袭击平民、政府建筑物和教堂时发生的。
美国中文杂志《中国事务》总编辑伍凡：“表面上看，都死了人了，军队开枪了，但实质上，一个是北京军方主动开枪，埃及军方是被动开枪﹔并且两方的诉求都不一样：学生诉求是和平，而埃及的穆斯林兄弟会他们要求是推翻政府，要求暴动。”
时政评论家伍凡表示，应该用和平的方式解决冲突。
《变局策》作者李一平：“中共是一个国家政权对要求民主的、要求自由的老百姓、知识份子，对他们进行血腥镇压，在埃及所发生的事情，可以把它理解为两种文化相互之间的冲突。”
曾经撰写论述中国未来发展的《变局策》一书的作家李一平认为，冲突的原因是伊斯兰原教旨主义者想通过民主消灭民主制度，而温和的世俗教派和军方则不同意。但他不认同暴力镇压的做法。
穆兄会首领穆尔西执政一年以来，伊斯兰势力在国会占了多数，新宪法有把埃及变成伊斯兰教国家的倾向，加上埃及经济恶化，高达13%的失业率，2200万人签名要求穆尔西下台。
旅美学者曹长青撰文指出，埃及军方迎合民意而罢黜了穆尔西，是个正确决定，如果中东人口最多的国家——埃及成为“伊朗第二”，后果更不堪设想。
据英国《路透社》的引述，70%的埃及人反对穆斯林兄弟会。
宪政学者陈永苗：“穆斯林兄弟会实际上有点像希特勒的纳粹党。希特勒的纳粹党在宪政史上制造了一个很大的危机，就是它通过民主的手段实现宪政，而且实现独裁和专政。实际上穆斯林兄弟会做法是非常像的。”
中共喉舌《环球时报》16号社评声称，这场流血冲突只能被当成埃及走向民主的“阵痛”，还警告，埃及要为此付出惨痛代价。
15号的文章更继续宣扬“埃及清场悲剧再次验证民主困境”的论调。
伍凡：“共产党这些人他为甚么不想想，他49年前，毛泽东、刘少奇、周恩来在当年反对蒋介石的时候，他们不也是喊民主吗？他们把自己的话全忘得光光了。”
1943年7月4号，作为中共当时的机关报《新华日报》，发表了社论——《民主颂——献给美国的独立纪念日》，盛赞美国民主。文章肉麻的写道：中国人对美国的好感，是发源于从美国国民性中发散出来的民主的风度，博大的心怀。
陈永苗则指出，民主化带来的阵痛是旧的专制制度带来的，就像生病的人要治病，打针吃药都是痛苦的，而民主越成熟越稳定，越长治久安，相反专制只会带来动荡、崩溃和内战。
采访/陈汉 编辑/宋风 后制/萧宇
Is Egypt’s Protest Site-clearing a Remake of China’s June 4th?
As publicized by the Egyptian government, on August 14,
when protesters were cleared from protesting sites,
638 people were killed and more than 4,000 injured.
Now, turbulence in Egypt has spread across the nation.
The whole world is watching Egypt’s moves.
Some people regard the action of Egypt’s military
as a remake of June 4th in China.
Are these two events comparable?
Please read the report below.
Since the former Egyptian President, Mohammed Morsi,
was ousted, Islamists and their supporters have been
continuously protesting, calling for Morsi to be reinstated.
The Egyptian military cleared protesters from
the protest sites, causing hundreds of fatalities.
The official death toll publicized by the Egyptian
Health Department has reached 200 since August 18th.
Mohamed Tasfik, Egyptian Ambassador in America,
was interviewed by American magazine Foreign Policy.
He stated that it’s not fair to compare Egypt’s recent
happenings to the June 4th Tiananmen Square massacre in China.
Tawfik further clarified that no police stations were attacked
and neither were any police killed in China during June 4th,
not to mention that in Egypt seven churches were burned
and policemen were killed, their corpses abused.
Tawfik pointed out that most injuries and casualties in Egypt
took place when Islamists were attacking everyday people,
government buildings and churches.
Wu Fan, Chief Editor of the Chinese magazine China Affairs:
“On the surface, there were casualties in both events.
Essentially, Beijing government took the initiative to shoot
protesters, while the Egyptian military was forced to shoot.
Most importantly, those students at Tiananmen Square
and the Islamists in Egypt were appealing
for very different things.
Students in China were calling for peace.
Nonetheless, Islamists in Egypt were rioting
to overthrow the government.”
Wu Fan said that peaceful methods should be applied
to solve conflicts.
Li Yiping, author of the book, Strategy for Regime Change:
“The Chinese Communist Party (CCP) carries out a brutal
repression of people who ask for democracy and freedom.
However, what’s happened in Egypt is more like
the conflicts between two cultures.”
Li Yiping stated that the conflicts in Egypt originated
from Islamic Fundamentalists, who intended to destroy
the democratic system in the name of democracy.
However, the moderate secular churches and military
disagreed with the practice of Islamic fundamentalists.
Nonetheless, Li Yiping doesn’t agree with
the violent crackdown either.
Morsi, head of Islamic Brotherhood, took office
about a year ago.
During this year, Islamic forces have dominated
in Egyptian congress.
The new Constitution intended to turn Egypt
into an Islamic country.
In addition to economic deterioration
and an unemployment rate as high as 13%,
22,000 thousand people signed the petition to ask Morsi
to leave office.
Scholar Cao Changqing wrote in his article that the Egyptian
military took Morsi down according to public opinion, which was a wise decision.
If Egypt, as a country with the second largest population
in the middle east, became a”second Iran,” it would be even more unbearable.
Upon learning that the Governor of Calif. was coming to visit,
Based on Reuters’ report, 70% of Egyptians are against
the Islamic Brotherhood.
Constitutionalism Scholar Chen Yongmiao:
“The Islamic Brotherhood is something like Hitler's
Nazi Party, which caused a big crisis in constitutional history.
That is, it realized constitutionalism with democratic
measure, and soon after implemented dictatorship.
What the Islamic Brotherhood is trying to do now
is very similar to the Nazi Party.”
The Global Times, overseas mouthpiece of the CCP,
published a commentary article on August 16 which said
that what happened in Egypt is the pain that Egypt needs
to suffer for democracy.
It also warned that Egypt will have to pay a great price for it.
On August 15, the Global Times continued to promote
its argument that”tragedies in Egypt verify the challenges that democracy faces.”
Wu Fan: “Why don’t those CCP members think about it?
49 years ago, when Mao Zedong, Liu Shaoqi, and Zhou Enlai
were fighting against Jiang Jieshi, they also did it
under the guise of democracy.
They totally forgot what they said at the time.”
On July 4, 1943, the CCP’s mouthpiece Xin Huan Daily
published a commentary article with the headline
“Eulogy for Democracy --- For the United States’
Independence Day.”
The article eulogized the States’ democracy.
It sickeningly said that Chinese people have a favorable
impression of Americans because of their
democratic demeanor and generous heart.
Chen Yongmiao stated that the pain democratization
has brought about originated from the old dictatorial system.
As a metaphor, he said, just like a very ill person,
taking medicines and injections are very painful.
Democracy can bring the country long-lasting stability,
while dictatorship can only bring about turbulence, collapse and civil war.
