【新唐人2013年10月22日讯】中国养老金亏空正在逐年累加。日前，中共的养老改革新方案一曝光就引起广大民众的质疑，许多网友认为这些方法都是直接从民众身上打主意，民众担心，养老金时不时被挪用、挥霍而造成的巨大亏空，却由老百姓买单。
根据媒体报导，中共多部委与多套养老方案设计者们，召开了为期两天的闭门会议，并在养老制度上达成了多项共识，其中包括延长养老保险缴费年限和养老金实行并轨。
据了解，这项签订保密协定的养老方案共有4个版本，分别由中国社科院、国务院发展研究中心、中国人民大学、浙江大学提供。
对此，网络上网友议论纷纷，有人说，这群专家不敢对不公平的制度进行改革，只知道变着花样剥削苦难深重的百姓。也有人说，财富集中在少数人手里，政府不应该再算计老百姓了。
吉林省通化市的网友表示，延长退休年龄和延迟领养老金研究得真快！官员财产收入公示制度、能快点研究研究吗？
广州社会评论家巩胜利：“你政府收了钱，你可以任意挥霍，任意的来无影去无踪，那中国现在问题就是没有制衡，老百姓就没有说话的权利，你上来你来治理，我上来我来治理，那中国这个人治的方式永远没有结局，没有游戏的规则，那玩下去有甚么结果？”
资深媒体人丁来峰在微博也提出质疑，他说，一群不交养老金的人，正在进行养老改革的“顶层设计”。一会儿要延迟5至15年领取养老金，一会儿确定延长缴费年限。你们为甚么不问问被改革的老百姓的意见？你们自己不交养老金，却管理着巨额养老金，结果弄得养老金投资收益比银行定期存款都要低，还存在巨大缺口！你们把我们的养老金管到哪儿去了？
中国养老金亏空正在逐年累加，而民众最担心的莫过于明天我老了，谁拿甚么来给我们发放养老保命钱？而目前中共当局对于“缴费不足”所导致的养老金馀额有缺口，只能用“延迟退休时间”和“以房养老”来解决。
北京市民吴田丽：“我们中国人谁在缴养老保险，我是一份子，谁在交？是老百姓在交保险，公务员是不需要交保险的，却享受最好的，工资待遇最好的，医疗保障可以报销额度，为甚么？等于我们缴的钱是养当官的。”
中国公务员的养老金过高早已成为众矢之的。10月19号，清华大学公共管理学院教授杨燕绥，在经济论坛上发言表示，中国现在养老问题，不仅是资金问题，更重要的是从中央到地方，大部份人心中没数。
经济学家何清涟对于中国式的“老无所依”养老制度发表文章。文章说，中国目前的养老金缺口高达2万亿。这些缺口是中国经济高速发展时期逐步形成的，今后中国经济增长减速，各地政府债务如山，是否具有支付能力值得存疑。
采访/朱智善 编辑/黄亿美 后制/陈建铭
China 's new pension scheme faces many critcisms
The pension deficit in China accumulated gradually over time.
Recently, exposure of a new CCP pension reform plan
caused many questions from a concerned public.
Many netizens believe that these methods focus on
“taking something” directly from the people.
The concerns people have is that the pensions may well
be squandered, with the public constantly
having to foot the bill.
According to media reports, the policy designers of pension
schemes, many of whom are from CCP ministries,
convened a two-day closed-door meeting.
It is said they reached a consensus on a number of areas
concerning the pension system, including extending
the number of years of contributions people pay
and also the merging of several pension schemes
together as one.
It is understood there are four versions of pension
schemes, provided by Chinese Academy of Social Sciences,
Research and Development Center at State Council,
Renmin University and Zhejiang University respectively.
All full versions are signed with a confidentiality agreement.
There are many discussions on this issue. Someone said that
the experts just know how to exploit people in different ways,
instead of daring to reform the unfair system.
There are also discussions on the concentration of
wealth in a few wealthy hands.
Many believe that the government should stop
exploiting the people.
One netizen from Tonghua, Jilin province commented,
the speed of which research on “extending the retirement age”
quickens all the while.
Is it however, keeping pace for the research
on the public system of official property income?
Gong Shengli, a social critic from Guangzhou said:
“The government collects the money
and abuses the money very quickly.
The problem in China now is that there is no system of balance.
People no longer have the right to free speech.
The situation in China now, is 'I took the position
so I govern you '.
The will be no end of this ruling of the elite.
There are rules for this game.
Who knows what the end result will be?”
Ding Laifeng, a senior media figure, questioned upon weibo.
Saying that people who do not pay pensions
are designing the “top level” of the pension system reform.
There are many proposals, including a delay of 5 to 15 years
to get the pensions back and extending the payment period.
Why don 't these designers of the pensions, ask the views
of ordinary people who are going to be reformed?
You do not pay the pension but manage the huge
amounts of pension.
You make the investment income lower than the fixed
deposits in banks with a huge gap!
Where did you put our pensions?
The pension deficit in China accumulates gradually.
People are worried, 'I am old tomorrow,
then who pays us the life insurance money '?
Now the CCP authorities have left a huge gap in pensions.
Their excuse being, “payments have not been enough”.
The authorities can merely “delay the time of retirement”
and “housing endowment” to supposedly
solve this problem.
Wu Tianli, a citizen in Beijing:
“Who pays the pension in China? Me! Ordinary people!
The civil servants do not need to deposit insurance,
but they could enjoy the best— the best wages
and the medicare reimbursement amounts.
How? Because we continue to pay money.
Keeping these officials- the elite.”
On Oct. 19th, Yang Yansui, professor at the School
of Public Policy and Management, Tsinghua University
said at an Economic Forum, the pension problem
in China is not because of the funding.
More importantly, from central government to local,
most people did not mind the pension problem.
He Qinglian an Economist, published an article
on the pension system in China.
She thought the elderly people will
not be properly looked after.
It was mentioned in the article that the pension gap in China,
is up at 2 trillion now.
The gap has gradually formed over time along with the rapid
development of China 's economy.
China 's future economic growth is slowing down,
all the while local government debt continues to grow,
to the size of a mountain.
It is worth every worry of the people of China, as to
whether or not the authorities are able of paying
up, when the time comes.
Interview/Zhu Zhishan Editor/Huang Yimei
根据媒体报导，中共多部委与多套养老方案设计者们，召开了为期两天的闭门会议，并在养老制度上达成了多项共识，其中包括延长养老保险缴费年限和养老金实行并轨。
据了解，这项签订保密协定的养老方案共有4个版本，分别由中国社科院、国务院发展研究中心、中国人民大学、浙江大学提供。
对此，网络上网友议论纷纷，有人说，这群专家不敢对不公平的制度进行改革，只知道变着花样剥削苦难深重的百姓。也有人说，财富集中在少数人手里，政府不应该再算计老百姓了。
吉林省通化市的网友表示，延长退休年龄和延迟领养老金研究得真快！官员财产收入公示制度、能快点研究研究吗？
广州社会评论家巩胜利：“你政府收了钱，你可以任意挥霍，任意的来无影去无踪，那中国现在问题就是没有制衡，老百姓就没有说话的权利，你上来你来治理，我上来我来治理，那中国这个人治的方式永远没有结局，没有游戏的规则，那玩下去有甚么结果？”
资深媒体人丁来峰在微博也提出质疑，他说，一群不交养老金的人，正在进行养老改革的“顶层设计”。一会儿要延迟5至15年领取养老金，一会儿确定延长缴费年限。你们为甚么不问问被改革的老百姓的意见？你们自己不交养老金，却管理着巨额养老金，结果弄得养老金投资收益比银行定期存款都要低，还存在巨大缺口！你们把我们的养老金管到哪儿去了？
中国养老金亏空正在逐年累加，而民众最担心的莫过于明天我老了，谁拿甚么来给我们发放养老保命钱？而目前中共当局对于“缴费不足”所导致的养老金馀额有缺口，只能用“延迟退休时间”和“以房养老”来解决。
北京市民吴田丽：“我们中国人谁在缴养老保险，我是一份子，谁在交？是老百姓在交保险，公务员是不需要交保险的，却享受最好的，工资待遇最好的，医疗保障可以报销额度，为甚么？等于我们缴的钱是养当官的。”
中国公务员的养老金过高早已成为众矢之的。10月19号，清华大学公共管理学院教授杨燕绥，在经济论坛上发言表示，中国现在养老问题，不仅是资金问题，更重要的是从中央到地方，大部份人心中没数。
经济学家何清涟对于中国式的“老无所依”养老制度发表文章。文章说，中国目前的养老金缺口高达2万亿。这些缺口是中国经济高速发展时期逐步形成的，今后中国经济增长减速，各地政府债务如山，是否具有支付能力值得存疑。
采访/朱智善 编辑/黄亿美 后制/陈建铭
China 's new pension scheme faces many critcisms
The pension deficit in China accumulated gradually over time.
Recently, exposure of a new CCP pension reform plan
caused many questions from a concerned public.
Many netizens believe that these methods focus on
“taking something” directly from the people.
The concerns people have is that the pensions may well
be squandered, with the public constantly
having to foot the bill.
According to media reports, the policy designers of pension
schemes, many of whom are from CCP ministries,
convened a two-day closed-door meeting.
It is said they reached a consensus on a number of areas
concerning the pension system, including extending
the number of years of contributions people pay
and also the merging of several pension schemes
together as one.
It is understood there are four versions of pension
schemes, provided by Chinese Academy of Social Sciences,
Research and Development Center at State Council,
Renmin University and Zhejiang University respectively.
All full versions are signed with a confidentiality agreement.
There are many discussions on this issue. Someone said that
the experts just know how to exploit people in different ways,
instead of daring to reform the unfair system.
There are also discussions on the concentration of
wealth in a few wealthy hands.
Many believe that the government should stop
exploiting the people.
One netizen from Tonghua, Jilin province commented,
the speed of which research on “extending the retirement age”
quickens all the while.
Is it however, keeping pace for the research
on the public system of official property income?
Gong Shengli, a social critic from Guangzhou said:
“The government collects the money
and abuses the money very quickly.
The problem in China now is that there is no system of balance.
People no longer have the right to free speech.
The situation in China now, is 'I took the position
so I govern you '.
The will be no end of this ruling of the elite.
There are rules for this game.
Who knows what the end result will be?”
Ding Laifeng, a senior media figure, questioned upon weibo.
Saying that people who do not pay pensions
are designing the “top level” of the pension system reform.
There are many proposals, including a delay of 5 to 15 years
to get the pensions back and extending the payment period.
Why don 't these designers of the pensions, ask the views
of ordinary people who are going to be reformed?
You do not pay the pension but manage the huge
amounts of pension.
You make the investment income lower than the fixed
deposits in banks with a huge gap!
Where did you put our pensions?
The pension deficit in China accumulates gradually.
People are worried, 'I am old tomorrow,
then who pays us the life insurance money '?
Now the CCP authorities have left a huge gap in pensions.
Their excuse being, “payments have not been enough”.
The authorities can merely “delay the time of retirement”
and “housing endowment” to supposedly
solve this problem.
Wu Tianli, a citizen in Beijing:
“Who pays the pension in China? Me! Ordinary people!
The civil servants do not need to deposit insurance,
but they could enjoy the best— the best wages
and the medicare reimbursement amounts.
How? Because we continue to pay money.
Keeping these officials- the elite.”
On Oct. 19th, Yang Yansui, professor at the School
of Public Policy and Management, Tsinghua University
said at an Economic Forum, the pension problem
in China is not because of the funding.
More importantly, from central government to local,
most people did not mind the pension problem.
He Qinglian an Economist, published an article
on the pension system in China.
She thought the elderly people will
not be properly looked after.
It was mentioned in the article that the pension gap in China,
is up at 2 trillion now.
The gap has gradually formed over time along with the rapid
development of China 's economy.
China 's future economic growth is slowing down,
all the while local government debt continues to grow,
to the size of a mountain.
It is worth every worry of the people of China, as to
whether or not the authorities are able of paying
up, when the time comes.
Interview/Zhu Zhishan Editor/Huang Yimei
