【新唐人2014年02月26日讯】在乌克兰发生戏剧性的政权更迭之后，临时政府进一步发出“清算罪犯”的信号，对老百姓犯罪的前政府官员将被通缉、调查，甚至将被送上法庭。而在乌克兰民间，有防暴警察集体向群众下跪道歉。从乌克兰民众的抗争中，参与中国1989年六四民主运动的部分学生领袖们，也看到了当今中国的转变，一起来看一看他们怎么说。
乌克兰临时政府的内务部部长阿瓦科夫，24号通过脸书发出消息说：“针对亚努科维奇对和平民众进行大屠杀一事，已提起刑事诉讼。亚努科维奇以及其他相关官员都已被通缉”。
议会的检察机关事务监督代表马赫尼茨基也证实，乌克兰警方已成立专案组，对已被解职的前总检察长普雄卡，和前政府收入部长克利缅科进行调查，并计划拘捕他们两人并移送司法机关。
看完乌克兰民众推翻独裁政权的全过程，1989年“六四天安门事件”的学生领袖之一封从德认为，现在中国民众对宪政民主的追求，对人权的意识，比1989年的时候要强烈的多。
六四学生领袖封从德：“可以说1989年还是在于启蒙的时代，25年以后中国的社会显然比1989年要成熟很多，很多民众是直接要求要结束一党专制，这个诉求现在是变的愈来愈明显，愈来愈成为共识，而在89年很遗憾的就是，这样的想法的人还是太少。”
封从德表示，民主革命一定会经过三步，第一是民变，第二是兵变，第三才会政变——结束一党专制。他说，要形成这样大规模的民变，需要用非暴力抗争的手法，让大量的人群上街、聚集在市中心广场。
六四学生领袖封从德：“但是更重要的决定因素在军队。那能够促动军队转变，就是说，它有三个层次：第一是消极镇压，第二是干脆不镇压，第三个更高的层次就是直接反正过来。”
封从德举例说，清朝的垮台就是因为新军的“反正”。而二十世纪至今，更有几十个国家，在发生政权更迭时，走了这条路。最近又有乌克兰和埃及。
封从德：“埃及、乌克兰都是起先是用大规模的民变的方式，触动军方的转变，那么这个模式在中国，我相信不久的将来就会出现。现在中共因为已经完全不能取信于民，他们的这种贫富悬殊已经太严重，中国现在是随时面临着要‘变’。”
另一位“六四天安门事件”的学生领袖周锋锁认为，乌克兰议会起到了重要作用，议会是以合法的形式，推翻了实行镇压的总统。乌克兰议会先是罢黜了原总统亚努科维奇的职务，然后发出逮捕令。
周锋锁介绍，中国“六四事件”当时，中共内部也曾有声音，呼吁“人民代表大会”紧急开会。而被称为“橡皮图章”的“人大”，当时并没有发挥《宪法》所赋予的权力。
六四学生领袖周锋锁：“中共用暴力，实际上是政变的方式，阻止所谓的人大来参政。在这个关键的时候，在这个危机的时刻，没有让人大出面表态。从《李鹏日记》里我们也看到，其实中共花了很大的力气，去威胁人大改变。”
乌克兰财政部24号透露，乌克兰在2015年底需要大约350亿美元的援助。英国财政大臣奥斯本表示，欧盟已做好准备。美国和国际货币基金组织也表示，将为参与援助乌克兰做好准备。而联合国秘书长潘基文已派出高级顾问塞里前往乌克兰，与临时总统图尔奇诺夫会面。“欧洲安全与合作组织（OSZE）”建议成立一个乌克兰联系小组，对乌克兰的政治过渡期提供支持，并协调国际援助。
采访编辑/唐音 后制/孙宁
June 4 Tiananmen Massacre Student Leaders See Great
Changes In Ukraine
After a dramatic regime change in Ukraine, the interim government
took a further step to clear out criminals,
by investigating or bringing former government officials
who were against the people to court.
In Ukraine, riot police had to kneel down collectively to
apologize to the people.
From the Ukrainian people's struggle, some student leaders who
participated in China's 1989 Tiananmen democracy movement
also see changes in today's China.
Let's see what they think about it.
Feb 24, Minister of Internal Affairs of the Ukraine interim
government Ava Cove, said on Facebook:
"We launched Yanukovych's criminal indictments for
massacring peaceful people.
Yanukovych and other related officials are wanted. "
Ukraine's Parliament on behalf of the prosecution authority
Magnitsky Mach, also confirmed that the Ukrainian police
special task force has been set up.
They will investigate and transfer sacked former Attorney
General Puxiong Cards, and former Minister of Government
Revenue Department Klee Myanmar, to judicial organs.
After watching the whole process of the Ukrainian people
overthrowing the dictatorship,
one student leader of the "1989 Tiananmen Incident" Feng Congde,
believes that the current Chinese people's constitutional democracy
pursuit,
and human rights consciousness are much stronger in the people now
than in 1989.
June 4th Tiananmen student leader Feng Congde:
"You could say 1989 was the era of the Enlightenment, the
current Chinese society is much more mature than 25 years ago.
Many people demanded an end to the one-party dictatorship, and
this demand is increasingly becoming apparent and consensus
is building.
Unfortunately people with such ideals were too few in 1989."
Feng Congde said that the democratic revolution will go through
three steps,
the first is revolt, the second is military mutiny, and the
third will be a coup ---- end of one-party dictatorship.
He said that a large-scale revolt needs nonviolent protest
tactics to allow a large number of people to gather on the
streets or in downtown.
June 4th Movement student leader Feng Congde: "But the most
important are the military forces.
There are three level reactions for the military forces:
the first is negative repression, and the second is simply
no repression, the third level is to change sides."
Feng Congde said that the collapse of the Qing Dynasty was
because of the new army changing sides.
Since the twentieth century, dozens of countries have had
regime change in this way, including recently in Ukraine
and Egypt.
Feng Congde: "In Egypt and Ukraine, there was large-scale
revolt at first, followed by military mutiny.
I believe it will happen in China in the near future since
the CCP has been completely unable to gain trust because
of serious income inequalities.
China is ready for change at any time."
Another "Tiananmen Incident" student leader Zhou Fengsuo,
believes that the Ukrainian Parliament played an important role to
overthrow the repressive President in a legal manner.
The Ukrainian Parliament first dismissed former President Viktor
Yanukovich and issued an arrest warrant.
Zhou Fengsuo believes that there was an inner voice for the
National People's Congress (NPC) emergency meeting when the
"Tiananmen incident" happened.
Known as "rubber stamp", the NPC did not conduct the conferred
power from the Constitution.
Tiananmen student leader Zhou Fengsuo: "The CCP used violence.
In fact, the tactic of the coup was to prevent the so-called NPC
from making a commitment at this critical time.
From, we can tell the CCP made a lot of effort
to threaten the NPC from changing."
Feb 24, Ukrainian Ministry of Finance revealed that Ukraine
needs about $ 35 billion aid by the end of 2015.
British Chancellor of the Exchequer Osborne said that the EU
is ready.
U.S. and IMF also said that they are ready to participate in aid
for Ukraine.
The UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon has sent a senior
adviser to meet with interim President Turchinov in Ukraine.
"The Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe
(OSCE)"
recommended establishing a contact group in Ukraine
to provide support in the political transition period and
coordinate international assistance.
Interview & Edit/Tang Yin Post-Production/Sun ning
乌克兰临时政府的内务部部长阿瓦科夫，24号通过脸书发出消息说：“针对亚努科维奇对和平民众进行大屠杀一事，已提起刑事诉讼。亚努科维奇以及其他相关官员都已被通缉”。
议会的检察机关事务监督代表马赫尼茨基也证实，乌克兰警方已成立专案组，对已被解职的前总检察长普雄卡，和前政府收入部长克利缅科进行调查，并计划拘捕他们两人并移送司法机关。
看完乌克兰民众推翻独裁政权的全过程，1989年“六四天安门事件”的学生领袖之一封从德认为，现在中国民众对宪政民主的追求，对人权的意识，比1989年的时候要强烈的多。
六四学生领袖封从德：“可以说1989年还是在于启蒙的时代，25年以后中国的社会显然比1989年要成熟很多，很多民众是直接要求要结束一党专制，这个诉求现在是变的愈来愈明显，愈来愈成为共识，而在89年很遗憾的就是，这样的想法的人还是太少。”
封从德表示，民主革命一定会经过三步，第一是民变，第二是兵变，第三才会政变——结束一党专制。他说，要形成这样大规模的民变，需要用非暴力抗争的手法，让大量的人群上街、聚集在市中心广场。
六四学生领袖封从德：“但是更重要的决定因素在军队。那能够促动军队转变，就是说，它有三个层次：第一是消极镇压，第二是干脆不镇压，第三个更高的层次就是直接反正过来。”
封从德举例说，清朝的垮台就是因为新军的“反正”。而二十世纪至今，更有几十个国家，在发生政权更迭时，走了这条路。最近又有乌克兰和埃及。
封从德：“埃及、乌克兰都是起先是用大规模的民变的方式，触动军方的转变，那么这个模式在中国，我相信不久的将来就会出现。现在中共因为已经完全不能取信于民，他们的这种贫富悬殊已经太严重，中国现在是随时面临着要‘变’。”
另一位“六四天安门事件”的学生领袖周锋锁认为，乌克兰议会起到了重要作用，议会是以合法的形式，推翻了实行镇压的总统。乌克兰议会先是罢黜了原总统亚努科维奇的职务，然后发出逮捕令。
周锋锁介绍，中国“六四事件”当时，中共内部也曾有声音，呼吁“人民代表大会”紧急开会。而被称为“橡皮图章”的“人大”，当时并没有发挥《宪法》所赋予的权力。
六四学生领袖周锋锁：“中共用暴力，实际上是政变的方式，阻止所谓的人大来参政。在这个关键的时候，在这个危机的时刻，没有让人大出面表态。从《李鹏日记》里我们也看到，其实中共花了很大的力气，去威胁人大改变。”
乌克兰财政部24号透露，乌克兰在2015年底需要大约350亿美元的援助。英国财政大臣奥斯本表示，欧盟已做好准备。美国和国际货币基金组织也表示，将为参与援助乌克兰做好准备。而联合国秘书长潘基文已派出高级顾问塞里前往乌克兰，与临时总统图尔奇诺夫会面。“欧洲安全与合作组织（OSZE）”建议成立一个乌克兰联系小组，对乌克兰的政治过渡期提供支持，并协调国际援助。
采访编辑/唐音 后制/孙宁
June 4 Tiananmen Massacre Student Leaders See Great
Changes In Ukraine
After a dramatic regime change in Ukraine, the interim government
took a further step to clear out criminals,
by investigating or bringing former government officials
who were against the people to court.
In Ukraine, riot police had to kneel down collectively to
apologize to the people.
From the Ukrainian people's struggle, some student leaders who
participated in China's 1989 Tiananmen democracy movement
also see changes in today's China.
Let's see what they think about it.
Feb 24, Minister of Internal Affairs of the Ukraine interim
government Ava Cove, said on Facebook:
"We launched Yanukovych's criminal indictments for
massacring peaceful people.
Yanukovych and other related officials are wanted. "
Ukraine's Parliament on behalf of the prosecution authority
Magnitsky Mach, also confirmed that the Ukrainian police
special task force has been set up.
They will investigate and transfer sacked former Attorney
General Puxiong Cards, and former Minister of Government
Revenue Department Klee Myanmar, to judicial organs.
After watching the whole process of the Ukrainian people
overthrowing the dictatorship,
one student leader of the "1989 Tiananmen Incident" Feng Congde,
believes that the current Chinese people's constitutional democracy
pursuit,
and human rights consciousness are much stronger in the people now
than in 1989.
June 4th Tiananmen student leader Feng Congde:
"You could say 1989 was the era of the Enlightenment, the
current Chinese society is much more mature than 25 years ago.
Many people demanded an end to the one-party dictatorship, and
this demand is increasingly becoming apparent and consensus
is building.
Unfortunately people with such ideals were too few in 1989."
Feng Congde said that the democratic revolution will go through
three steps,
the first is revolt, the second is military mutiny, and the
third will be a coup ---- end of one-party dictatorship.
He said that a large-scale revolt needs nonviolent protest
tactics to allow a large number of people to gather on the
streets or in downtown.
June 4th Movement student leader Feng Congde: "But the most
important are the military forces.
There are three level reactions for the military forces:
the first is negative repression, and the second is simply
no repression, the third level is to change sides."
Feng Congde said that the collapse of the Qing Dynasty was
because of the new army changing sides.
Since the twentieth century, dozens of countries have had
regime change in this way, including recently in Ukraine
and Egypt.
Feng Congde: "In Egypt and Ukraine, there was large-scale
revolt at first, followed by military mutiny.
I believe it will happen in China in the near future since
the CCP has been completely unable to gain trust because
of serious income inequalities.
China is ready for change at any time."
Another "Tiananmen Incident" student leader Zhou Fengsuo,
believes that the Ukrainian Parliament played an important role to
overthrow the repressive President in a legal manner.
The Ukrainian Parliament first dismissed former President Viktor
Yanukovich and issued an arrest warrant.
Zhou Fengsuo believes that there was an inner voice for the
National People's Congress (NPC) emergency meeting when the
"Tiananmen incident" happened.
Known as "rubber stamp", the NPC did not conduct the conferred
power from the Constitution.
Tiananmen student leader Zhou Fengsuo: "The CCP used violence.
In fact, the tactic of the coup was to prevent the so-called NPC
from making a commitment at this critical time.
From
to threaten the NPC from changing."
Feb 24, Ukrainian Ministry of Finance revealed that Ukraine
needs about $ 35 billion aid by the end of 2015.
British Chancellor of the Exchequer Osborne said that the EU
is ready.
U.S. and IMF also said that they are ready to participate in aid
for Ukraine.
The UN Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon has sent a senior
adviser to meet with interim President Turchinov in Ukraine.
"The Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe
(OSCE)"
recommended establishing a contact group in Ukraine
to provide support in the political transition period and
coordinate international assistance.
Interview & Edit/Tang Yin Post-Production/Sun ning
