【新唐人2014年11月27日訊】持續兩個月的香港佔領運動，如今面對暴力清場、領袖人物被捕。而在此之前，輿論就已經開始就運動的前景進行爭論，有人主張撤離，有人主張更強烈的行動。到底「佔中」運動應該何去何從？請看下面的報導。
在25號的清場過程中，香港警方一度施放催淚溶劑，據報導，當天出動的警力達6000人，共有116人被捕。26號早上，警方在協助執達主任執行第二份法庭禁制令時，又拘捕了20多人，其中包括學民思潮召集人黃之鋒、學聯副祕書長岑敖暉和常委司徒子朗。
「熱血公民」創辦人黃洋達向《紐約時報》表示，佔領運動需要升級，以便佔領更多的地區或政府大樓。黃洋達透露，19號暴力衝擊立法會大樓被捕的11人中，有兩名是「熱血公民」的成員。
報導說，黃洋達所在的「熱血公民」組織，還有互聯網合作社，以及自由活動的鼓動者，對大多數示威者支持的溫和路線，已經不耐煩了。他們認為，只有更強烈的行動，才能迫使香港政府和中共做出讓步。
不過，一些香港學者和評論人士認為，激進派的想法不切實際。
香港作家張成覺：「現在已經很難維持下去，你怎麼還能升級？我是認為現在暫時的告一段落，採取更靈活的辦法，不定時的去佔領，這個佔領主要是發出一個訊息，就是我們是要爭取真普選，就是表達這麼一個意願。其實我認為佔中的目的已經達到了，就是換取香港內外，特別是國際上廣泛的關注。」
香港時事評論員程翔指出，激進派的做法只會產生反效果。
香港時事評論員程翔：「我是不同意激進派的，反而會增加居民對抗議活動的不滿，既然如此，為甚麼還要升級呢？因為應該看到，這個運動現在已經取得很大的成果，現在是應該鞏固已經取得的成果，而不是說要去擴大，因為不可能通過這一次運動就能夠取得他們想要的東西，如果現在能夠做策略性的轉移，那我覺得還更有效果。」
真普選聯盟召集人鄭宇碩：「我自己是傾向把這個佔領的區域縮小到金鐘一個比較小的範疇，盡量避免給香港社會造成任何的不便，這樣我們比較容易堅持下去，而且，泛民的議員在立法會也在進行不合作的運動。」
據香港大學最新的民意調查，香港特首梁振英的民望較月初回升4.3分，最新評分為44.7分。市民對政府的滿意率也回升至31%，不滿意率大減11個百分點至40%。調查詢問對佔領運動的看法，有66%支持清場，贊成維持現狀的，僅26%。
而理工大學的一項調查顯示，73.2%的受訪市民，認為佔領人士應該退場，因為運動影響到經濟、民生。
程翔：「現在是應該結束這個佔領活動，（近）百分之八十的民意，已經要求退場。由於不退場，按照香港大學所做的民意調查，梁振英的民望不降反增，老百姓對佔領造成的不便，這種怨氣已經轉移成為對梁振英的支持。」
壹傳媒集團老闆黎智英25號在金鐘佔領區接受《自由亞洲電臺》採訪時表示，如果堅持不撤退，佔領者最終可能潰不成軍，失去捲土重來的可能。
19號凌晨發生蒙麵人暴力衝擊立法會大樓事件後，佔中運動發起人之一的香港大學社會學系副教授陳健民表示，示威者應撤離街頭，將焦點放在如何得到公眾的支持。22號更有消息傳出，佔中三子戴耀挺、陳健民及朱耀明，將在12月初自首。
張成覺：「公民抗命他要承擔法律責任，他們這樣做是應該的。整個來說，同北京方面對抗，也是一個長期的抗爭，你短期內是不可能收到明顯的效果的，尤其是在中國大陸十幾億人，好多都對這個運動不理解，因為他們的信息不透明，有很多誤解，在這種情況之下，更要講究策略。」
據了解，金鐘佔領區目前正在進行一項「星期六運動」簽名活動，希望效仿東德當年的星期一運動，以持續不斷的努力，最終令柏林圍牆倒下。發起人Andrew對媒體表示，希望民眾每週六戴上黃絲帶，前往中環核心地區，表達爭取真普選的決心。Andrew認為，只要運動能持續下去，就會給政府帶來越來越大的壓力。
採訪/朱智善 編輯/陳潔 後製/李智遠
Upgrade, Exit, Stay Put, What's Next For Occupy Central?
Another violent clash involving the Hong Kong umbrella revolution between the police and people in Mong Kok resulted in a hundred arrested. Some opinion believes the two month Occupy Central campaign should end now, but others believes there should be stronger action. How will Occupy Central go? Let's see the report.
The Hong Kong Police even fired tear gas in its site-clearing on Nov. 25. It was said there were 6,000 police involved in the site-clearing with 116 people being arrested. On the morning of the 26th, police arrested more than 20 people including Scholarism convener Huang Zhifeng, deputy secretary general of the Hong Kong Federation of Students (HKFS) Cen AOhui. The Standing Committee Situ Zilang assisted bailiffs to execute the second court injunction.
Civic Passion founder Huang Yangda told the New York Times that the Occupy movement needs to be upgraded in order to occupy more areas or government buildings. Huang Yangda said there were 2 Civic Passion members arrested during the violent impact to the Legislative Council Building on November 19th.
It's said that the Civic Passion, internet cooperatives, as well as initiators for the free movement are already growing impatient for the moderate path supported by the majority demonstrators. They believe that only more intense action can force the Hong Kong government and the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) to make concessions.
However, other scholars and commentators believe that the radical idea is unrealistic.
Hong Kong writer Zhang Chengjue: it is difficult to stay now. How can you upgrade? I believe we can stop it temporarily and adopt a more flexible approach to the occupy from time to time. The occupation is mainly to express that we will fight for genuine democratic elections. In fact, I believe that the Occupy Central's purpose has been achieved, namely to wake up the Hong Kong people inside and outside, especially the international concern.
Ching Cheong, the Hong Kong political commentator pointed out that the radical approach would be counter-productive.
Ching Cheong: I do not agree with the radicals because it will increase residents' dissatisfaction with the protests. In that case, why should we upgrade it? We have to accept this movement has made great achievements. It's time to consolidate the achievements rather than expand because it is impossible to achieve the intended target through the first movement. It might be more effective doing strategic shifts now.
The Alliance for True Democracy convener Joseph Cheng: I personally prefer to reduce the occupied area to a relatively small place in the Admiralty to avoid any inconvenience to Hong Kong. In that case, we are more likely to stick to it, and the Pan Democrats won't commit a non-cooperation movement in the Legislative Council.
According to the latest opinion poll from the Hong Kong University, Hong Kong Chief Executive Leung Chun-Ying's popularity rebounded 4.3 points compared with the beginning of the month, the latest score is now 44.7 points. Public satisfaction rate on the government also rose to 31% and the dissatisfaction rate greatly reduced by 11 percentage points to 40%. There was 66% people supporting site-clear in the survey for the Occupation movement and only 26% people support to maintain the status quo.
And a survey of Technology and Science University showed that 73.2% respondents think that the occupation should exit because of the effect to the economy and people's livelihood.
Ching Cheong: It's time to end this occupation action now because nearly 80% people request site clearing. According to opinion polls by the University of Hong Kong, Mr Leung's popularity increase instead of falling if not to end the movement. People's anger at the inconvenience from occupation movement has been shifted to support Mr. Leung.
Next Media boss Jimmy Lai said in the Radio Free Asia interview on the 25th that, if you insist on non-retreat, the occupiers may eventually be defeated and lose the possibility of a comeback.
The masked men violently impacted the Legislative Council Building on the early morning of the 19th. Afterwards, one of the sponsors of the Occupy Central movement, Associate Professor of the University of Hong Kong, Chan Kin Man said the protesters should focus on how to get public support by evacuating the streets.
On the 22nd, more news reported that three people of Occupy Central Dai Yaoting, Chan Kin Man and CHu Yiu-Ming will surrender in early December.
Zhang Chengjue: They should do it because the civil disobedience needs to take legal responsibility. All in all, it should be a long-term stance based on the Beijing side because you can't achieve a significant effect in the short term. Especially for more than a billion mainland people, most do not understand this movement because of the misconception from unclear information. In this case, we need to pay more attention to strategy.
It is said that the Admiralty occupiers are currently undergoing a Saturday Campaign---signature campaign, hoping to emulate the East Germany's Monday campaign, which eventually led to fall of the Berlin Wall viaa continuous efforts.
Promoters Andrew told the media that they hope people go to the Central core region with yellow ribbon every Saturday to express determination for genuine democratic elections. Andrew believes that the continuous movement will bring increasing pressure unto the government.
Interview/Zhu Zhishan Edit/LiuHui Post-Production/Li Zhiyuan
在25號的清場過程中，香港警方一度施放催淚溶劑，據報導，當天出動的警力達6000人，共有116人被捕。26號早上，警方在協助執達主任執行第二份法庭禁制令時，又拘捕了20多人，其中包括學民思潮召集人黃之鋒、學聯副祕書長岑敖暉和常委司徒子朗。
「熱血公民」創辦人黃洋達向《紐約時報》表示，佔領運動需要升級，以便佔領更多的地區或政府大樓。黃洋達透露，19號暴力衝擊立法會大樓被捕的11人中，有兩名是「熱血公民」的成員。
報導說，黃洋達所在的「熱血公民」組織，還有互聯網合作社，以及自由活動的鼓動者，對大多數示威者支持的溫和路線，已經不耐煩了。他們認為，只有更強烈的行動，才能迫使香港政府和中共做出讓步。
不過，一些香港學者和評論人士認為，激進派的想法不切實際。
香港作家張成覺：「現在已經很難維持下去，你怎麼還能升級？我是認為現在暫時的告一段落，採取更靈活的辦法，不定時的去佔領，這個佔領主要是發出一個訊息，就是我們是要爭取真普選，就是表達這麼一個意願。其實我認為佔中的目的已經達到了，就是換取香港內外，特別是國際上廣泛的關注。」
香港時事評論員程翔指出，激進派的做法只會產生反效果。
香港時事評論員程翔：「我是不同意激進派的，反而會增加居民對抗議活動的不滿，既然如此，為甚麼還要升級呢？因為應該看到，這個運動現在已經取得很大的成果，現在是應該鞏固已經取得的成果，而不是說要去擴大，因為不可能通過這一次運動就能夠取得他們想要的東西，如果現在能夠做策略性的轉移，那我覺得還更有效果。」
真普選聯盟召集人鄭宇碩：「我自己是傾向把這個佔領的區域縮小到金鐘一個比較小的範疇，盡量避免給香港社會造成任何的不便，這樣我們比較容易堅持下去，而且，泛民的議員在立法會也在進行不合作的運動。」
據香港大學最新的民意調查，香港特首梁振英的民望較月初回升4.3分，最新評分為44.7分。市民對政府的滿意率也回升至31%，不滿意率大減11個百分點至40%。調查詢問對佔領運動的看法，有66%支持清場，贊成維持現狀的，僅26%。
而理工大學的一項調查顯示，73.2%的受訪市民，認為佔領人士應該退場，因為運動影響到經濟、民生。
程翔：「現在是應該結束這個佔領活動，（近）百分之八十的民意，已經要求退場。由於不退場，按照香港大學所做的民意調查，梁振英的民望不降反增，老百姓對佔領造成的不便，這種怨氣已經轉移成為對梁振英的支持。」
壹傳媒集團老闆黎智英25號在金鐘佔領區接受《自由亞洲電臺》採訪時表示，如果堅持不撤退，佔領者最終可能潰不成軍，失去捲土重來的可能。
19號凌晨發生蒙麵人暴力衝擊立法會大樓事件後，佔中運動發起人之一的香港大學社會學系副教授陳健民表示，示威者應撤離街頭，將焦點放在如何得到公眾的支持。22號更有消息傳出，佔中三子戴耀挺、陳健民及朱耀明，將在12月初自首。
張成覺：「公民抗命他要承擔法律責任，他們這樣做是應該的。整個來說，同北京方面對抗，也是一個長期的抗爭，你短期內是不可能收到明顯的效果的，尤其是在中國大陸十幾億人，好多都對這個運動不理解，因為他們的信息不透明，有很多誤解，在這種情況之下，更要講究策略。」
據了解，金鐘佔領區目前正在進行一項「星期六運動」簽名活動，希望效仿東德當年的星期一運動，以持續不斷的努力，最終令柏林圍牆倒下。發起人Andrew對媒體表示，希望民眾每週六戴上黃絲帶，前往中環核心地區，表達爭取真普選的決心。Andrew認為，只要運動能持續下去，就會給政府帶來越來越大的壓力。
採訪/朱智善 編輯/陳潔 後製/李智遠
Upgrade, Exit, Stay Put, What's Next For Occupy Central?
Another violent clash involving the Hong Kong umbrella revolution between the police and people in Mong Kok resulted in a hundred arrested. Some opinion believes the two month Occupy Central campaign should end now, but others believes there should be stronger action. How will Occupy Central go? Let's see the report.
The Hong Kong Police even fired tear gas in its site-clearing on Nov. 25. It was said there were 6,000 police involved in the site-clearing with 116 people being arrested. On the morning of the 26th, police arrested more than 20 people including Scholarism convener Huang Zhifeng, deputy secretary general of the Hong Kong Federation of Students (HKFS) Cen AOhui. The Standing Committee Situ Zilang assisted bailiffs to execute the second court injunction.
Civic Passion founder Huang Yangda told the New York Times that the Occupy movement needs to be upgraded in order to occupy more areas or government buildings. Huang Yangda said there were 2 Civic Passion members arrested during the violent impact to the Legislative Council Building on November 19th.
It's said that the Civic Passion, internet cooperatives, as well as initiators for the free movement are already growing impatient for the moderate path supported by the majority demonstrators. They believe that only more intense action can force the Hong Kong government and the Chinese Communist Party (CCP) to make concessions.
However, other scholars and commentators believe that the radical idea is unrealistic.
Hong Kong writer Zhang Chengjue: it is difficult to stay now. How can you upgrade? I believe we can stop it temporarily and adopt a more flexible approach to the occupy from time to time. The occupation is mainly to express that we will fight for genuine democratic elections. In fact, I believe that the Occupy Central's purpose has been achieved, namely to wake up the Hong Kong people inside and outside, especially the international concern.
Ching Cheong, the Hong Kong political commentator pointed out that the radical approach would be counter-productive.
Ching Cheong: I do not agree with the radicals because it will increase residents' dissatisfaction with the protests. In that case, why should we upgrade it? We have to accept this movement has made great achievements. It's time to consolidate the achievements rather than expand because it is impossible to achieve the intended target through the first movement. It might be more effective doing strategic shifts now.
The Alliance for True Democracy convener Joseph Cheng: I personally prefer to reduce the occupied area to a relatively small place in the Admiralty to avoid any inconvenience to Hong Kong. In that case, we are more likely to stick to it, and the Pan Democrats won't commit a non-cooperation movement in the Legislative Council.
According to the latest opinion poll from the Hong Kong University, Hong Kong Chief Executive Leung Chun-Ying's popularity rebounded 4.3 points compared with the beginning of the month, the latest score is now 44.7 points. Public satisfaction rate on the government also rose to 31% and the dissatisfaction rate greatly reduced by 11 percentage points to 40%. There was 66% people supporting site-clear in the survey for the Occupation movement and only 26% people support to maintain the status quo.
And a survey of Technology and Science University showed that 73.2% respondents think that the occupation should exit because of the effect to the economy and people's livelihood.
Ching Cheong: It's time to end this occupation action now because nearly 80% people request site clearing. According to opinion polls by the University of Hong Kong, Mr Leung's popularity increase instead of falling if not to end the movement. People's anger at the inconvenience from occupation movement has been shifted to support Mr. Leung.
Next Media boss Jimmy Lai said in the Radio Free Asia interview on the 25th that, if you insist on non-retreat, the occupiers may eventually be defeated and lose the possibility of a comeback.
The masked men violently impacted the Legislative Council Building on the early morning of the 19th. Afterwards, one of the sponsors of the Occupy Central movement, Associate Professor of the University of Hong Kong, Chan Kin Man said the protesters should focus on how to get public support by evacuating the streets.
On the 22nd, more news reported that three people of Occupy Central Dai Yaoting, Chan Kin Man and CHu Yiu-Ming will surrender in early December.
Zhang Chengjue: They should do it because the civil disobedience needs to take legal responsibility. All in all, it should be a long-term stance based on the Beijing side because you can't achieve a significant effect in the short term. Especially for more than a billion mainland people, most do not understand this movement because of the misconception from unclear information. In this case, we need to pay more attention to strategy.
It is said that the Admiralty occupiers are currently undergoing a Saturday Campaign---signature campaign, hoping to emulate the East Germany's Monday campaign, which eventually led to fall of the Berlin Wall viaa continuous efforts.
Promoters Andrew told the media that they hope people go to the Central core region with yellow ribbon every Saturday to express determination for genuine democratic elections. Andrew believes that the continuous movement will bring increasing pressure unto the government.
Interview/Zhu Zhishan Edit/LiuHui Post-Production/Li Zhiyuan
